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freakin_elrod
post Jan 24 2020, 09:05 AM
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In keeping with the times looks like the SCCA created yet another class, basically a CAM sh&t box class. So for those that have SM type builds but don't have or want to spend Hoosier money, you've got your wish.

https://www.scca.com/articles/2013398-new-c...olo-competition


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SMeyers
post Jan 24 2020, 02:15 PM
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And I've had (ZERO) people beat down my door asking us to create such classes, due to overwhelming interest and need.

NOT! tongue.gif


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Dave H
post Jan 24 2020, 02:25 PM
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Hey, it'd be nice if they removed other classes in favor of this! Isn't a class like this what you're always asking for, Scott? Condense ST and SP, make an extreme street on street tires, and a "extremely r-tire" class?


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post Jan 24 2020, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE (Dave H @ Jan 24 2020, 02:25 PM) *
Hey, it'd be nice if they removed other classes in favor of this! Isn't a class like this what you're always asking for, Scott? Condense ST and SP, make an extreme street on street tires, and a "extremely r-tire" class?

Remove other Classes when adding new Classes........Yes, been suggesting that. SCCA has IMO reached the point of "Diminishing Return".

I did ask locally that STF be reinstated, when SCCA National killed it. That move put my Mazda3 against CRX's and Miatas in STS ohmy.gif . A Class REINSTATEMENT is what I asked for (nothing else). Denied.

There is talk Nationally about Prepared Classes going away, in favor of something like you suggested above. IMO, needs to be a reshuffling of many NATIONAL SCCA Classes and Categories, based somewhat loosely on PAX numbers defining what with what.

Look at the new CAM-T and CAM-C Pax numbers..... .001 apart. So, why two Classes? huh.gif


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nsarboc
post Jan 24 2020, 05:16 PM
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I propose a new class Street (WR) or Wacky Races. Any car will qualify but the primary rule set only allows for modifications that make the car worse than stock. Each modification will earn you pax modifier. Scott Meyers agreed to run it for the SCCA.

Street WR Rules:

-No anti roll bars allowed front or rear.

-Tires must be higher than UTG 600

-Tires must be inflated to 60PSI

-Car must have +2 Deg of camber

-Car can be lowered but must be on the bump stops.

-Dampers can be changed but only from a like model with over 200,000 miles. (Certification certificate required and must be displayed on the windshield)

-Intakes are allowed but must draw air from within 3 inches of the exhaust manifold. (Official SCCA rulers will be supplied for your regons tech inspection)

-Exhaust modifications allowed but must be 1 inch smaller than stock.


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post Jan 24 2020, 05:23 PM
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post Jan 24 2020, 05:42 PM
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Only thing missing from the SCCA norm is a corporate sponsor......😉


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post Jan 25 2020, 08:59 AM
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It’s been interesting watching SCCA Solo Classes evolve over the years, since the time they first recognized autocrossing.

From a historical perspective, does anyone here know (or care) how or why the Prepared Classes were originally formed “back in the day”? huh.gif

Bonus Points Question - Back around the early 80’s or so Az Region Results show a competitive grouping of cars called “Daily Driver”. What was that, and who originated the concept? wink.gif


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post Jan 25 2020, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE (SMeyers @ Jan 25 2020, 09:59 AM) *
It’s been interesting watching SCCA Solo Classes evolve over the years, since the time they first recognized autocrossing.

From a historical perspective, does anyone here know (or care) how or why the Prepared Classes were originally formed “back in the day”? huh.gif

Bonus Points Question - Back around the early 80’s or so Az Region Results show a competitive grouping of cars called “Daily Driver”. What was that, and who originated the concept? wink.gif


My answers:

1. The Prepared classes were formed because SCCA, Inc. felt there weren't enough classes listed so made Prepared, with the belief that "more is better".

2. Daily Driver was formed by Arizona Region at the suggestion of Ron Kessing, competitive Porsche 911 driver, to give those who did not want to compete in the Stock class on "R" tires. SCCA, Inc. at long last, decided that was a good idea and a couple of years ago made Stock class a street tire class without the need to have expensive "race tires" to be competitive. Arizona Region was a very innovative region at that time. It also held both a Divisional and the first Pro Solo in Arizona in the same year. The Divisional was held on the small lot at Tempe Diablo Stadium, with close to 150 entrants from several states surrounding Arizona.

Arizona Region was so innovative that the Club purchased a course liner and, with entrant lists of well over 100, actually lined all the courses to help prevent DNF'S. Rumor has it that the Club still owns a liner.


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post Jan 25 2020, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE (nsarboc @ Jan 24 2020, 06:16 PM) *
I propose a new class Street (WR) or Wacky Races. Any car will qualify but the primary rule set only allows for modifications that make the car worse than stock. Each modification will earn you pax modifier. Scott Meyers agreed to run it for the SCCA.

Street WR Rules:

-No anti roll bars allowed front or rear.

-Tires must be higher than UTG 600

-Tires must be inflated to 60PSI

-Car must have +2 Deg of camber

-Car can be lowered but must be on the bump stops.

-Dampers can be changed but only from a like model with over 200,000 miles. (Certification certificate required and must be displayed on the windshield)

-Intakes are allowed but must draw air from within 3 inches of the exhaust manifold. (Official SCCA rulers will be supplied for your regons tech inspection)

-Exhaust modifications allowed but must be 1 inch smaller than stock.


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SMeyers
post Jan 25 2020, 04:10 PM
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QUOTE (S. Roberts @ Jan 25 2020, 02:16 PM) *
My answers:
1. The Prepared classes were formed because SCCA, Inc. felt there weren't enough classes listed so made Prepared, with the belief that "more is better".
2. Daily Driver was formed by Arizona Region at the suggestion of Ron Kessing, competitive Porsche 911 driver, to give those who did not want to compete in the Stock class on "R" tires. SCCA, Inc. at long last, decided that was a good idea and a couple of years ago made Stock class a street tire class without the need to have expensive "race tires" to be competitive. Arizona Region was a very innovative region at that time. It also held both a Divisional and the first Pro Solo in Arizona in the same year. The Divisional was held on the small lot at Tempe Diablo Stadium, with close to 150 entrants from several states surrounding Arizona.
Arizona Region was so innovative that the Club purchased a course liner and, with entrant lists of well over 100, actually lined all the courses to help prevent DNF'S. Rumor has it that the Club still owns a liner.

Sharon is disqualified, as she was also present during all of this, and should know the answers. That said, she nailed #2, but failed question #1.

"Daily Driver" was the forerunner to the previous Street Tire Classes, which used to be the Stock Classes. Many new here do not realize that Stock Classes for many years were allowed full race rubber. 40 UTQG Treadware and even lower. Was not planned that way, it just "evolved" over time as the tire manufacturers also discovered "Autocrossing" as a potential revenue source. Only recently was "Stock" (or now "Street" Classes) relegated to 200 treadware tires.

The original Solo 2 PREPARED Classes were implemented by SCCA to allow older and therefore no longer competitive SCCA Road Racing cars a place to play in this new (to SCCA anyway) playground, "Solo 2". "Solo 1" was a version of Open Track, that newer really got off the ground. So, Prepared Classes were kind of a "Retirement" Class, as it were. Autocrossing had been around for many years, when SCCA decided they could make some money at this, and in they jumped. The Prepared ruleset for modifications followed closely SCCA Road Racing parameters as far as induction, suspension, machining, wheels sizes, and so forth.


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